{"id":48643,"date":"2023-05-31T14:53:52","date_gmt":"2023-05-31T13:53:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/?p=48643"},"modified":"2023-05-31T15:00:46","modified_gmt":"2023-05-31T14:00:46","slug":"row-over-veto-powers-holds-up-paris-plastic-treaty-talks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/2023\/05\/31\/row-over-veto-powers-holds-up-paris-plastic-treaty-talks\/","title":{"rendered":"Row over veto powers holds up Paris plastic treaty talks"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Talks on setting up a new plastics treaty were held up for two days in Paris as Saudi Arabia and a group of big emerging economies led a push to ensure all governments have veto power over future measures.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Plastics are produced with oil and gas and, as the world begins to move to green electricity, the industry sees them as a lifeline for their business.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">According to the <a href=\"https:\/\/wedocs.unep.org\/bitstream\/handle\/20.500.11822\/42461\/INC_Structure.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">official timetable<\/a>, discussions on the rules of procedure were supposed to be wrapped up in one morning at the second set of talks on setting up the new treaty at the Unesco headquarters in Paris.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The United Nations Environment Programme (Unep), which is running the talks, thought that governments had already agreed on how voting would work, at least until the treaty is signed, at the first set of talks in Uruguay last December.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/2023\/05\/26\/japan-joins-anti-plastic-coalition-ahead-of-paris-treaty-talks-leaving-us-isolated\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>Japan joins<\/strong> anti-plastic coalition ahead of Paris treaty talks, leaving US isolated<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Their <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/wedocs.unep.org\/bitstream\/handle\/20.500.11822\/42282\/INC1reportReissuedAdvance.pdf\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">report<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> of that meeting said governments had agreed to try and reach a consensus on decisions but, if that was not possible, to see if there is a two-thirds majority among nations.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>Consensus risks<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This would avoid a small number of governments blocking, or threatening to block, wording that most governments agree to. That has happened or nearly happened, several times in climate talks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At Cop26 in Glasgow in 2021, Papua New Guinea <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/2021\/11\/18\/going-get-bumpy-papua-new-guinea-sparked-final-day-panic-cop26\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">threatened to block<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> a deal if they did not get their way over rainforest carbon credits although they later backed down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At Cop27 in Sharm el-Sheikh in 2022, a handful of oil and gas producers like Saudi Arabia successfully <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/2022\/11\/24\/late-night-fossil-fuel-fight-leaves-bitter-taste-after-cop27\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">stopped<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> the conference from agreeing to phase out fossil fuels.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At plastics talks, negotiators from the USA, EU, Senegal and Nigeria also thought that the voting system had been decided.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Swiss negotiator said re-opening the debate was \u201cconcerning\u201d while the EU said \u201ctwo-third majority rule is essential to secure progress\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/I0dSo4yQ5dE?start=5175\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h6>The Swiss negotiator speaking at the plastic treaty talks on Tuesday<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But a group of emerging economies including India, Russia, China and Argentina said they were wrong to say that had been agreed.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>&#8216;Trust misplaced&#8217;<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Saudi Arabia\u2019s negotiator said they had trusted the talks&#8217; chair in Uruguay to include objections to majority voting but \u201cit seems right now that our trust was sorely misplaced\u201d. She was already angered by not being called to speak and her microphone\u2019s failure.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/I0dSo4yQ5dE?start=2874\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h6>The Saudi negotiator speaking at the plastic treaty talks on Tuesday<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">India\u2019s lead negotiator said \u201cthere might have been other reasons\u201d for Unep leaving out governments\u2019 objections to two-third majority voting but did not explain what they were.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Saudi Arabia, China and India threatened to stop the talks going forward until the plenary had not agreed how to hold votes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cBefore we conclude and adopt the rules of procedure, we are not going to open substantive discussions of any matters in the elements paper,\u201d said China\u2019s representative.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201cIt is not fair and just to continue with proceedings without resolving this issue,\u201d said India\u2019s negotiator.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3>&#8216;Stop scaring each other&#8217;<\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But speaking immediately after, Senegal\u2019s negotiator said \u201cwe should stop trying to scare one another &#8211; some words are being bandied about and they\u2019re quite strong &#8211; that we will not move forward etcetera etcetera &#8211; we have to avoid that kind of language\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/I0dSo4yQ5dE?start=4525\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h6>Senegal&#8217;s negotiator speaking at the plastic treaty talks on Tuesday<\/h6>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the end of the second day of talks in Paris though, the issue was still holding up discussions on how to reduce plastic pollution.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The negotiator from Rwanda, a leader in reducing plastic pollution, expressed frustration. \u201cColleagues, we came to negotiate a draft treaty that will drive the world to reduce plastic pollution,\u201d she said, \u201cTwo days down and we are not yet there\u201d.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Closed-door meetings to break the deadlock began at 7pm on Tuesday and, according to one source with knowledge of negotiations, dragged on until at least half past midnight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At 11am the next morning, the chair of the talks announced governments had agreed to deal with the issue later, just noting that \u201cthere are differing views\u201d. The voting rules will have to be agreed upon before a treaty can be signed, which governments want to happen next year.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">They\u2019ve agreed overnight to this text. A glossary:<\/p>\n<p>INC: These talks about setting up a treaty:<\/p>\n<p>Rule 38.1: Whether decisions can be taken by a 2\/3 vote or if every nation has to agree.<\/p>\n<p>INC1: The last set of talks in Uruguay. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/OfObJ4wE7V\">pic.twitter.com\/OfObJ4wE7V<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Joe Lo (@joeloyo) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/joeloyo\/status\/1663827947961106434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 31, 2023<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Greenpeace East Asia campaigner Li Shuo said it was &#8220;hard to imagine that voting will be accepted&#8221; and there are arguments in favour and against voting by majority.<\/p>\n<p>Consensus ensures broad participation but can allow a few states to &#8220;hold talks hostage&#8221; at the expense of ambition, he said.<\/p>\n<h3>Holding to ransom<\/h3>\n<p>But Christina Dixon, a campaigner from the Environmental Investigation Agency, said the possibility to vote &#8220;is a critical tool for driving ambitions in negotiations&#8221;. She added that this would avoid being &#8220;held to ransom by a few unambitious countries&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/2023\/05\/31\/fscs-rehab-scheme-for-forest-destroyers-under-fire-after-fresh-allegations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><strong>FSC\u2019s rehab<\/strong> scheme for forest destroyers under fire after fresh allegations<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If votes are to be held, another issue still to be resolved is how much power the European Union will have.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The EU wants to be able to vote on behalf of its 27 member states but governments like the US, Saudi Arabia and Russia have pushed against this.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A joint US-EU proposal at the last set of talks suggested the US wanted the EU to only be able to vote on behalf of the member states present at the talks, making it harder for them to have their 27 votes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The European Union represents a large chunk of the members of the high-ambition coalition against plastic pollution, which want to reduce the production of plastics and not just recycle more.<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_48624\" style=\"width: 810px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-48624\" class=\"size-full wp-image-48624\" src=\"https:\/\/www.climatechangenews.com\/files\/2023\/05\/HAC-members-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"586\" srcset=\"https:\/\/cdn.climatechangenews.com\/files\/2023\/05\/26145835\/HAC-members-1.jpg 800w, https:\/\/cdn.climatechangenews.com\/files\/2023\/05\/26145835\/HAC-members-1-229x168.jpg 229w, https:\/\/cdn.climatechangenews.com\/files\/2023\/05\/26145835\/HAC-members-1-460x337.jpg 460w, https:\/\/cdn.climatechangenews.com\/files\/2023\/05\/26145835\/HAC-members-1-768x563.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-48624\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Hac&#8217;s members include all G7 countries but the US<\/p><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Big fossil fuel producers like the US, Saudi Arabia and Russia are not part of the coalition and have not supported production cuts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The issues which have yet to be addressed include whether the treaty should have binding measures or be based on voluntary commitments like the Paris climate agreement.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Saudi Arabia and a group of emerging economies like China, India and Russia pushed to keep vetoes in plastic treaty 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